Trading for Beginners
Here we go then: First step was to try and locate some good deals... So where do I go? 2 places you should ALWAYS check for good trade deals are:1) IRC Channel #Traders
2) Forum Thread "Trading Post"
For me, I just needed to get started with some medical item trading as these items are always in high demand, and you can usually buy direct from traders at a good price if you are a decent barterer and know where to look! Before I started, it had to make sure that I knew where to draw the line... This is the point at which I HAVE to walk away from a deal... This is how to easily work this out:
1) Go to the item market and check out the medical prices, at the time I found that:
Morphine was at $17,000 - $17,100 on the first page
First Aid Kits were at $13,000 - $14,000 on the first page and
Small First Aid Kits were $6,000 - $6,400 on the first page.
OK so I know how much they are listed at, but how much should I pay? Well its easy to set a limit, you LOSE 3% of whatever you list on the market so you should work that out before you start:
$17,000 / 1.03 = $16,500 for morphine, $13,000 / 1.03 = $12,380 for FAKS and $6,000 / 1.03 = $5,825 for SFAKS.
So if you pay anything more than that, you are going to make a loss at best! For me, an easy way to work out my walk away price is to round down to the nearest $500... So max I paid for morphine was $16k, $12k for FAKS and $5.5k for small FAKS.
OK so off to find the deals on the forums? Wrong! While checking the prices I noticed some variance on the lowest price, and in that I have found my first deals of the day. Bargain listings! Not only will I snap up the bargains on the market, but I will contact the sellers to see if they will trade any remaining stock directly for a quick sale and a better price (after all you are saving them hassle and the 3% listing fee!)
My $50,000 well spent:
You bought First aid kit for $9,500 from the market.
You bought First aid kit for $9,575 from the market.
You bought First aid kit for $11,000 from the market.
You bought Small first aid kit for $5,250 from the market.
You bought Small first aid kit for $5,250 from the market.
You bought Small first aid kit for $5,500 from the market.
Alright so I have some stock... If you are wondering why I didn't spend every penny, its so I have cash for listing fees... No morphine yet as I didnt see any good deals and frankly I'm going to make a lot of money out of the smaller items right now! I immediately list them on the item market at $1 less than the cheapest listings. Low and behold they all sell within 2 or 3 minutes!
Are you sure you would like to add this item to the market for $12,999?
The fee to put this item up is $390 (3% of the price) which you must pay now.
You added your Small first aid kit to the market for $5,999
You added your Small first aid kit to the market for $5,999
You added your Small first aid kit to the market for $5,999
You added your First aid kit to the market for $12,999
You added your First aid kit to the market for $12,999
You added your First aid kit to the market for $12,999
New! 04/03/09 9:32:17 AM x bought your Small first aid kit item from the market for $5,999.
New! 04/03/09 9:32:25 AM x bought your Small first aid kit item from the market for $5,999.
New! 04/03/09 9:33:28 AM x bought your First aid kit item from the market for $12,999.
New! 04/03/09 9:32:32 AM x bought your Small first aid kit item from the market for $5,999.
New! 04/03/09 9:33:41 AM x bought your First aid kit item from the market for $12,999.
New! 04/03/09 9:33:43 AM x bought your First aid kit item from the market for $12,999.
Right so that is my first batch done... All in the first few minutes of trading, and I have some leads on where to get cheap meds (possibly) so how much do I have to play with now?
$59,215 !!! So after literally a couple of minutes I have turned my $50,000 into almost $60,000... a 20% profit in a couple of minutes!
So now I'm looking to earn some more cash, I can't see any more cheap deals on the item market so I need to move on and find another source for my stock. NOW I need to go to the forums and try and snag a good rate while I wait for the sellers that I bought from on the item market to return some of my mails (I mailed them earlier asking if they had more to sell and if they would trade directly with me...)
Main - Trading post - Medical Help (revives and medical items)
Looking to buy all medical items in bulk:So there is my post... Now I kinda just have to wait for a bit to see if anyone is interested in selling... But while I do - I'm going to do something most traders don't bother to do. READ the existing posts lol... So all I'm looking for is anyone selling meds... if they are in my price bracket - great, if not I will need to haggle a bit harder...
Paying:
MORPHINES - $14-16k
FIRST AID KITS - $10-12k
SMALL FIRST AID KITS $4-5.5k
This looks good:
xxxxx [Online] [Male] ID: xxxxxx Level: 13 Posts: 16 Score: 1So this is perfect. I'm basically set up now to make my first big deal... I message him asking for the 13k price, promising to buy them all, but in smaller chunks...
I am selling 19 Morphs @ 14 K each (247)
if bought all at once will sell for 13k each
message me if intrested
He responds saying its a bit of hassle but ok... and away we go.
To cut a long story short this is what I did for the next hour...
Buy 4 morphines for $52k, sold them on the item market for $66k
Buy 5 morphines for $65k, sold them on the item market for $82.5k
Buy 6 morphines for $78k, sold them on the item market for $99k
Buy 8 morphines for $91k, sold them on the item market for $115.5k
Buy 10 morphines for $130k, sold them on the item market for $165k
Buy 13 morphines for $156k, sold them on the item market for $198k
Buy 15 morphines for $195k, sold them on the item market for $247.5k
Buy 19 morphines for $247k, sold them on the item market for $313.5k
Buy 24 morphines for $312k, sold them on the item market for $396k
Buy 30 morphines for $390k, sold them on the item market for $495k
Buy 38 morphines for $494k, sold them on the item market for $627k
Buy 48 morphines for $624k, sold them on the item market for $792k
Buy 21 morphines for $273k, sold them on the item market for $346.5k
Right so I'm an hour into my trading and I have got $900k in cash... Pretty much all made from one or two pretty easy finds without much effort or complicated deals...
So basically in an hour I have made a profit of 1800% which is the same as putting your money into the TC bank for about 15 years... No tricks, nothing clever, nothing that ALL OF YOU couldn't do yourselves... It really is this easy!
Will add more soon... check back for updates!
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Comments
Comment posted by electra
VERY VERY helpfuul thanks alot jimbob
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
You wait until you see the completed article lol... I think a lot of people are going to be amazed
Comment posted by electra
well we will all be waiting lool especially me :D
Comment posted by daniel_doyle
ooooohhh the anticipation. Looking forward to your next update. Using your guidelines like a bible
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
Ha Ha... Great to hear it! I will be writing this but TornCity has not really been that reliable lately and I can't get to the logs etc.
Will definately expand upon this at the weekend!
Comment posted by coatlicue
130K in 6 hours doing this (between meetings hehe shhhhh)
Comment posted by electra
come on jimbob were gettin impatient :P:P lool
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
haha yeah well unfortunately i need to refloor my loft, take danielle shopping for more maternity stuff and help my sister move house :(
Otherwise it would be here already lol!
Comment posted by jamesquatre
Great advice I will be putting it into practice as soon as possible.
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
Good to hear it! They say the first million is the hardest... But once you have done this, you will be making money as fast as you can spend it!
Comment posted by callumevs
Awsome advice mate; thanks i made 1mil in 5mins like wtf.. awsome thanks. a good name for this site could be tchelp.com... [Post Edited due to violation of terms]
Comment posted by Lord_Atreides
WOW! This makes me want to start Now! Tough luck I'm on a plane though! But when I get back I will give it a shot :P
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
LOL - patience young grasshopper or something along those lines :D
Comment posted by robbie-2006
Lol Jimbob ^
Comment posted by kamoman
This guide just me me about 2million today and i have just got to say iam very very thank full iam going to keep doing this just buying and selling in bulk its great easy and relatively cheap fast and good way to make money so yeah Thanks.
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
Great to haer it! Keep up the good work people
Comment posted by iarlahelotoday
woooo just made my 3rd million using your guide thanks a bunch jimbob!!!
Comment posted by coatlicue
i reached the third one too :)
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
HAHA you can all roll in money now!
Comment posted by jgabel
started yesterday with $52,000. I couldn't find anything in the forums, so I just kept looking through the item market for steals. I made 14 purchases throughout the day and sold everything I bought. I closed the day with $78,300. This does include my $1000/day job, and a few pickpockets of the loan shark, but that's still really nice for one days work. Thank you so much!
Comment posted by jgabel
Day two, started with the $78,300. Made 26 sales for a total profit of $65,283.72. One of those was a C4 that I found, so if you take that out it's still $41,131 in profit. Not bad for a days work. Properties are right around the corner for me!
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
yeah keep up the good work!
Comment posted by faris-2k8
you need to do day 2 jim plz
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
Yeah I know... Been pretty busy with the new site domain etc. Once the re-launch is done I will finish up the first day and I'll do an intermediate trading tutorial for you guys!
Comment posted by jacobjacob44
sounds like a great way to make monet except i havent got the slightest clue on how to use the irc thing, please help! :)
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
You dont need IRC to trade... That is only for drug running...
IRC is basically the CHAT in torncity, its on the left menu... If you need help with it, talk to TC staff :D
Comment posted by jacobjacob44
aah right thats what the chat buttons for :) thanks for the help, this will hopefully make me a lot of money
Comment posted by faris-2k8
when will the re-launch be done
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
Well... I am going to launch the graphics competition soon, that will have a HUGE load of prizes etc.
I am also going to add an investment page (so people investing their cash with me can track their progress)
I still need to finish trading for beginers and then write the intermediate page.. Its a lot to do and I'm pretty busy preparing for my baby boy to be born!
Comment posted by jay_gildea
omg i mage 8mil doing this but then i lost it all on blackjack. never again. well maybe later lol
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
LMAO... Don't do it!
I will be finishing this post and adding many more on gambling and stocks once the site re-launch goes live!
Comment posted by encaenmi
Hey, I read your guide a couple of days ago and I think its great. I've more than doubled my usual daily profit since I read it. But I'd like to ask you a question: on a budget of less than 10 million, which items would you trade (other than drugs and meds)? This is because I've found it hard to get cheap meds, and I haven't found the way to amass a fortune through meds, and most people won't sell cheap DPs or mansions. Thanks in advance.
Comment posted by JimbobBEng
make it stop... maaakeee iiit stoooop!
Comment posted by wilkoaids
Hi, your guide is really good. I was just wondering about if it's a good idea to buy out competition for an item and list higher prices hence making huge profit if they sell? I'd like to know your thoughts on this =)
Comment posted by jusue_0616
hye jimbob...ur tutorial is REALLYYYYYY helpfull to me...as soon as i finish read it i practice...selling my mansion in market and from the money i gain 4m clean income from trading...i think im going to continue doing this tiill get the tycoon rank...hehe...and in addition, on this first day i've got my permenant buyer and permanent vendor...thanx a lot jimbob...u r the greates
Comment posted by jimbobbeng
nice one... and regarding buying out the market to get higher prices... You can only do that in a team of say 2 or 3, one covering each 8 hour shift of the day.
Even then you would need tens of millions of dollars a day to keep up... Could be worth a try though
Comment posted by Valkyrie
If anyone needs help getting into IRC just message me in game id 420363. I also have directions on my profile. Thumbs up to your tutorial jimbob.
Comment posted by jusue_0616
now have 5 days following this tutorial...and income i had made for 5 days is 12 million total...^_^
Comment posted by jusue_0616
have 6 days and total of 18m income...
Comment posted by jimbobbeng
Nice
Comment posted by Kier
Thanks very much for this :)...turned 50k into over 1m so far.
Comment posted by silentninja231
no body has any half decent ofers made 3k :(
Comment posted by jimbobbeng
You will get there in the end. If morphine isnt working, try other medical or cheap items that are consumables...
Comment posted by pfxx
Great guide! Just one newb question.. "Buy 48 morphines for $624k, sold them on the item market for $792k" Is it possible to sell items in bulk on item market? Selling them 1 by 1 takes too much time :(
Comment posted by DJM_123
great site! Just one question- im finding it hard to find a buyer for my morphine. it is at a reasonable price but nobody is buying???? What should i do???
Comment posted by jimbobbeng
no the way you are making the money it to sell them one by one... Buying off a lazy bulk trader!
Finding a buyer for your morphine is easy. Put them on the market at $1 less than the next cheapest one - someone will buy them!
Comment posted by supercali2
Great Guide! When is the next installment coming?
Comment posted by jimbobbeng
Well... With my new Baby (William) I have been pretty busy.
I need to raise some funds or move to a cheaper host sometime soon, so I might run a "fundraiser" so that when we meet the donation target, I write the next tutorial...
Comment posted by muffins
I'd like to say thanks for the help! I managed to get 100 morphine (Mostly through my job) and stated that I'd sell them all in bulk for 1.55mn. Then a bidding war started between 2 buyers and I ended up selling all 100 for 19mn, when I had proposed to sell each morphine singularly for 17K each. Heh.
Comment posted by muffins
Plus, a bit ago I found a parachute around the city, so I sold that for a bit, but all that money (100mn) got to my head so I kind of got into 3mn debt.... I had to sell my flamethrower but I'm back on my feet and own a faction and company! I'm only level 10 :D
Comment posted by mithras-foo
Thanks so much Jimbob. I started out on TC 33 days ago and using you "Trading For Begginers" Tab, i Have made plenty of money. i started with 50k from the loan shark in the city. I did exactly what you said to do and now I have a faction, a jackhammer, 13mil in the faction vault, a maxed out mansion, and i also bought my good friend that started at the same time as me a jackhammer. This tutorial is unbelievably straight forward and easy to follow. Thanks Man for all the help
Comment posted by jimbobbeng
Great to hear that you have had such success... 50k from the loanshark is genius! I never thought of that!
I get hundreds of messages saying "how can i get 50k its impossible" I usually say - VOTE on the home page for a point and sell it for 50k... But your idea is much better!
Comment posted by mithras-foo
yea, and it worked out fine because i payed it all of in like 5 minutes. I buy and sell morphines constantly now. i have yet to see a mansion for below 5 mill i think you have them all JimBob lol
Comment posted by mithras-foo
Hey jimbob, you should have another tab added to the top of the page and title it "Success Stories" and have some of the best success stories on that tab so that people see that it actually works. and hey, might as well include the persons nickname and ID so it is even more believable just a thought
Comment posted by jimbobbeng
Not a bad idea!
Comment posted by edu2310
Hi, I really liked your site, I made 500k in one day just trading and now im doing drug runnings of xanax with the money that i won trading
